senator reid is very calculating, he says the things on the taxes because he knows for the moment it push is the debate in his direction and so they are willing to sort of say anything, but it's really disappointing to see in politics people attacked not for their character, for what they've done in their religion but the fact that they don't adhere to some progressive, political or though docksy. i think it was pew a year ago that showed that some evangelical christians were suspicious, something addressed in the convention. the most hostile reactions to mormonism come from very secular liberals, far more so than anything else. i think that it's unfortunate that senator reid, a member of the lvs church himself would play to that audience. martha: you would think if anything, you know, having seen the attacks on his church, regardless of who they would impact, politically, you know, that he would be somewhat -- i would expect to be somewhat defensive as you would see in any religion where you sort of support each other. >> the rap on governor romney so far has been he'd be an excelle